I just listened to the FY ‘08 conference call on Heckmann. I also went through the consolidated financials. Below are my notes from the call. I haven’t proofed them, so they aren’t guaranteed to be correct. I’ll just edit this post, as I proofread, but…lets face it, spelling and grammer are really low priority with this market volatility.
Complication = only reporting 2 months. 12 months of interest, corp. expenses, and only 2 months of ops.
Cost of the SPAC IPO, acquisitions, and closing of the SPAC trust.
Adjusted pro-forma, sales grew 69% to $95.9M.
Adjust pre-tax income, grew 43% to $28.4M.
Adjusted op income was flat due to acquisitions etc.
Notes on escrow settlement, I couldn’t type fast enough, but 3.5M went to Shiu Hong Bin, and Heckmann paid $14M for 13M shares. Making a claim this week, to recover the remaining.
Shiu = retired, w/ non compete.
10% at 1/3 cash value per share.
6% of public warrants at $1 per share.
Adding strong management, on weak economy.
Added an Executive.
New Controlled for GAAP and S.O.
Skilled IT manager for Oracle System.
Deloitte & Touche to manage transition to new accounting platform.
Jones, Lasal and Solmons, to evaluate assets
New plant to support Coke, exclusively
Expanding OEM facilities. New exclusive product for Coke.
Delayed Harbin acquisition, to be sure Heckmann and Harbin is ready.
Heckmann not sure yet, that acquisitions might not be as cheap as they might be.
Debt free. $3 per share in cash. $300M (rounded?). Profitable. Strong Op Margins.
“I…I…I…Really like the position we’re in today”
Not allot to talk about, since we only have 2 months of operations.
$95M pro-forma revs for ’08.
Q1. Why only 3M warrants?
Bought 13M shares, for $14M. Out of the market to buy warrants, blocked legally. If/when we are able to do so, we will.
Q2. Organic Growth? What are targets?
Organic Growth = ~30%. Organic Growth = Half of Total Growth = 30%.
Q2 and Q3 are the “big quarters”.
Looking to target water related, water treatment, and other bottle water companies.
Q3. State of outstanding shares, clear up # outstanding.
Share count is 110M outstanding, and assumed acquisition of remaining 5M shares.
54M warrants public warrants outstanding, less 6% they have bought back
Mr. Heckmann own 18M w. and 13M shares.
Q4. Expansion?
Flavored waters, other kinds of waters. Juice & Tea, since the OEMs are already into it.
Q5. Expand on Agreement w/ Coke.
No. Volume will be significant.
Q5B Capacity?
1.9B small bottles, 21M carboy
Q5C.2008 Revs Pro-forma?
$95.9M 28.4M net income pre-tax.
Q5D. General sense gross profit? SG&A?
Numbers are fairly representative, we’re comfortable going forward. We believe that we will achieve greater operating leverage moving forward.
Q6. Capacity growth?
Harbin will add +330M small bottled, 93.4M carboy.
Aside from Harbin, likely +10%, at least.
Q7. What will hot fill add?
Timing will be Q3. 10% of our capacity will be hot fill. We will increase as it will add flexibility.
Q8. Relationship, with OEMs, Pepsi?
In this environment, working capital drives reduction in # of vendors, so Coke, Pepsi, and Wahaha gets treated better, and little guys get the shaft. So, Heckmann trying to get close to the “big boys”. Over the next couple years, a larger % of our biz, will be with the “big boys”. They don’t have a sense of humor about “not delivering, or quality”, so it forces improvements in each plant. We will probably double our % of OEM biz, this year over last year.
Q9. Plans outside of China?
Not looking at bottled water companies in the US.
Looking to expand into water treatment, technologies to sell to the US. 11 offices.
Can’t drink tap water, anywhere in China.
We have a very strong bottled water platform. Our teams our having weekly meetings with other platforms.
Q10. Expected revs from current capacity?
Can’t answer that, but the capacity issues we face are mostly seasonal. Excess, unused capacity in colder months.
Q11. Valuations on pipeline?
3x – 5x, everybody wants to price off ’07 earnings and say ’08 was an outlier. “We’re the prettiest girl at the dance right now”…we’ve got a great operating company, and allot of cash, and I don’t want to blow it, yet.
Q12. Weak economic pressures on supply chain?
Average prices are stable. On PET, we used cash to buy some attractive PET buys. We bought allot of it. We will have cost advantages as we start to use up PET.
Q13. Lower PET prices?
Prices were down 40%, at end of year. Since PET is a component of textile biz. China textiles slowed down, lots of supply, so PET production was shut down…so prices are coming back now.
Q14. OEM would double in ’09…details?
22% of sales in ’08. Unipresident, Coke, Hong Bower…the analyst is following up after.
Q15. Utilization in Q4, SG&A?
Capacity in the 2 months, we were at 50%-60% in the two months detailed. SG&A shouldn’t be larger as a % of a sales going forward.
Q16. New Coke Plant costs?
$8M - $10M
Q17. Talk about new plants.
6 months to build. Payback = 3 years. So much density in China, that in any city there are lots of bottling plants. Nobody ships water.
Q18. Acquisitions?
Debt is tough to come by. Our advantage is cash.
Q19 Slowdown?
It’s slower than it was. Psychology is more positive. More competitive than US. Country full of entrepreneurs. When you start with a lower per capita consumption, and you have population growth, plus you can’t drink the tap water.
Q20 Escrow settlement impact on earn out?
No. Settlement has nothing to do with it. There isn’t going to be an earn-out, not in this market.
Jeff McLarty is a CFA candidate, and looking to network with other analysts on Heckmann Corp., in a private forum. If you’re interested in networking, send an e-mail to Jeffrey dot McLarty at gmail dot com.
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